tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post1807984366989110531..comments2023-12-28T21:19:56.842-08:00Comments on The Justicar: Almost SkepticalJusticarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11271259122971289909noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-4273666470352370202013-02-23T15:15:30.782-08:002013-02-23T15:15:30.782-08:00Thanks for taking the time to put this all togethe...Thanks for taking the time to put this all together, justicar. I couldn't believe that in the discussions on several skeptic sites where I saw this brouhaha being discussed nobody ever questioned the veracity of her story. For one thing I found it hard to believe after all the publicity EG wouldn't come forward and give his side of the story. Now it's pretty clear he didn't do so as he exists solely in RW's imagination.Eric Blairhttp://www.facebook.com/eric.blair.92372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-15036174653351952862012-09-21T03:43:31.381-07:002012-09-21T03:43:31.381-07:00So, it is OK to appropriate a neural condition if ...So, it is OK to appropriate a neural condition if it suits one's sensibilities?RaspKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-41388156766215953642012-09-21T03:27:10.001-07:002012-09-21T03:27:10.001-07:00The worst part is how all this works against the w...The worst part is how all this works against the whole ableist line of messages in the A+ rather expansive clique; it amazes me that, though she rode the very convenient ride of calling other people of for purportedly having a condition, a condition we need add that sharply affects the people having it, everybody in it seems so bent to support her.<br /><br />Instead, they should be disgusted for her appropriation of a very real problem some people face and which disadvantages them.RaspKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-22041312895867645002011-10-26T08:59:46.208-07:002011-10-26T08:59:46.208-07:00Gee, when I don't want to answer a question, I...Gee, when I don't want to answer a question, I take the noble step of dodging it by something fairly similar to: I'm not answering that question; thank you.<br /><br />What I don't tend to do is invent for myself an artful dodge that invokes a rare brain defect caused by brain injury to avoid it. Hell, for that matter, I don't tend to invent any reason. Call me honest if you must stoop that low, but that's just me.<br /><br />And you guys over there on team Twatson simply cannot have it both ways: it's either always name names, or it isn't. Which is it?<br /><br />Actually, her actions over the intervening time period do not indicate a reluctance to 'out' him; they indicate an inability. A reluctance would be indicated by overtures of the likes I indicated: I am able to answer that question, but I decline the invitation. Or something along those lines.<br /><br />But we know your vaunted saint Twatson couldn't tell yet another lie - that'd be unpossible!The Justicarhttp://www.integralmath.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-78755910429411927562011-10-26T08:26:36.837-07:002011-10-26T08:26:36.837-07:00Wow. Is this what the Rebecca-bashers have turned...Wow. Is this what the Rebecca-bashers have turned into? A bunch of people who can't recognize her answer for what it obviously was: a noble dodge to an infantile question?<br /><br />She doesn't want to out Elevator Guy; her actions and words over the intervening months have made that clear. So when someone shows her a picture that EG is supposedly in, she sticks to her guns and says that she doesn't see him in that picture. Of course that's what she does. That's what all people of good conscience do when subject to a McCarthy-era tactic like that.<br /><br />I am truly embarrassed to be part of a group whose senses of honor and altruism are so atrophied that that doesn't even occur to them.Panchonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-50701033469351151302011-10-07T04:28:03.243-07:002011-10-07T04:28:03.243-07:00Yeah. :)
Those two vowels connect to her often it...Yeah. :)<br /><br />Those two vowels connect to her often it seems. Twot, twat, etc.Scented Nectarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-4102621469516484572011-10-05T14:59:18.525-07:002011-10-05T14:59:18.525-07:00Scented Nectar;
Like looking at someones myspace p...Scented Nectar;<br />Like looking at someones myspace profile, putting that pic into photoshop is likely to be viewed as Scientology level obssessive stalking by "My old man said follow the" Zvan and her numb-bots.Munkhausnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-10700772337114844582011-10-04T13:08:49.535-07:002011-10-04T13:08:49.535-07:00Thanks. It really makes me wondering who Watson an...Thanks. It really makes me wondering who Watson and the people on either side of her, are looking at, and I suppose, listening to. I noticed the size in my PaintshopPro program when I lightened the picture up to see things better.Scented Nectarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-73935565522704376282011-10-04T11:35:13.405-07:002011-10-04T11:35:13.405-07:00This is originally how PeeZus uploaded it from twi...This is originally how PeeZus uploaded it from twitter. I copied it immediately because I figured it would silently disappear one day.The Justicarhttp://integralmath.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-70666061832370891042011-10-04T10:50:29.411-07:002011-10-04T10:50:29.411-07:00A lot of people have started asking "why did ...A lot of people have started asking "why did this case blow up so much, the actual 'incident' itself was a mundane every day thing, as was watson's original video"<br /><br />Myers and his army ironically enough are the ones who made into elevatorgate with their dogmatic persecution. Ironically, they wanted to silence people merely politely critiquing watson, but their irrational response made people speak up MORE, not less.<br /><br />People speaking up was seen as evidence of evilness in the eyes of the myers crowd, so they started with even more irrational silencing, which made people respond even more and become even more skeptical.<br /><br />If they had simply accepted the mild criticism at watson at the beginning, it would have never grown to these proportions, but these guys are incapable of accepting deviations in dogma.AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-36724390589197311852011-10-04T10:38:18.500-07:002011-10-04T10:38:18.500-07:00I think we say that all the people on the table ar...I think we say that all the people on the table are within her hearing range as a compromise.<br /><br />Originally most bloggers when they saw that photo they said "It's just the 2-3 guys right next to her who would hear every line she says (it's a bar, loud bar).<br /><br />But then the watsonites started YELLING that we're insane for daring to suggest that ONLY those guys could hear her, so most of us expanded it to say "ok ok, the people on the table, it's possible all of those 4 were in hearing range" but that's it.<br /><br />p.s.<br /><br />Nice catch on the dimensions. Nobody caught that until now. It's a sure indicator of cropping.AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-72232034755123518542011-10-04T08:31:25.957-07:002011-10-04T08:31:25.957-07:00She is such a fucking liar, and so must many of he...She is such a fucking liar, and so must many of her supporters, who, just like you must get recognized all the time at events.<br /><br />And she seems to be drunk as a skunk. Didn't she brag somewhere once at some talk that she woke up drunk and was still a bit drunk now while talking? Can't remember where I heard that though.Scented Nectarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-53692117958788637942011-10-04T08:18:29.097-07:002011-10-04T08:18:29.097-07:00Speaking of that picture, is that the same size th...Speaking of that picture, is that the same size that PZ published it initially as? The reason I ask is because it's 600x449 pixels, which is not a standard size. It seems to have been cropped for some reason. Whoever is to the right side, and who seems to be whoever Watson and the guy beside her are listening to, are missing.<br /><br />Also, that picture, even though it's not showing the entire bar, STILL has many people who are not within range of hearing her. The guy across from her, even though he's at the table even seems to be focused on some other conversation at the bar. He's looking in the opposite direction as Watson. How the fuck is she getting away with saying that he was in the bar and heard her yackity yacking all night?Scented Nectarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-4261423817657762122011-10-04T01:28:17.638-07:002011-10-04T01:28:17.638-07:00Indeed. The actual event (elevatorgate) is as dul...Indeed. The actual event (elevatorgate) is as dull as dishwater.<br /><br />What is fascinating is the irrational response from the likes of Myers+horde, Zvan etc etc.<br /><br />The way they invent their own contrived narratives on no evidence.<br /><br />The way they get angry when people actually try to bring evidence and reason to the table.<br /><br />Dogmatic, religious zeal. The very thing they supposedly rally against, but they can't see it in their own actions.Spencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-47210871305720454292011-10-04T01:13:00.549-07:002011-10-04T01:13:00.549-07:00I refer you to my comment right up the top *points...I refer you to my comment right up the top *points*. Admittedly that was a (slightly) pre-emptive guess on my part, which is a bit foolish, but I think evidence is now mounting in my favour.<br /><br />She's claiming it's not a true ban, by which she means, cogent, logical, reasonable arguments with evidence that are difficult to counter will be binned with some kind of post hoc excuse. But feel free to post stupid things that she can respond to - they'll go straight up on the post. Guarantee it.<br /><br />The irony is of course, she "posits" a stupid narrative on zero evidence about elevator guy. She then says anyone doing *the exact same thing* to Watson is "creepy". When Justicar presents actual evidence, we get the squirming and the BS.<br /><br />It's embarrassing to watch, especially when these people claim to be skeptics or critical thinkers.Spencenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-16356675903197011712011-10-03T21:58:39.605-07:002011-10-03T21:58:39.605-07:00When does one see her at conventions sober? She sp...When does one see her at conventions sober? She spends quite a lot of time drinking it would appear.<br /><br />Since she has this disorder: Twatson, that drunken face you see staring at you in the mirror all the time. That's you.The Justicarhttp://integralmath.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-40473984698990614082011-10-03T21:56:39.136-07:002011-10-03T21:56:39.136-07:00For the record, I don't believe it either. I n...For the record, I don't believe it either. I never have. She had no problem recognizing me, a stranger, on a JREF cruise multiple times. She recognized me again at Dragon*Con. If you have to resort to excuses such never-before-mentioned-or-evidenced face blindness to show the mere possibility of your uncorroborated story, chances are high that it's a lie. She could recognize EG during her speech so as to see that he was listening, later that night so as to see that he was listening (as if this is even possible), then in the elevator, but not now. Yeah, likely story.<br /><br />Also, is she drunk while giving the Santa talk?Maria Maltsevahttp://twitter.com/bluharmonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-9936120945479724562011-10-03T19:22:00.421-07:002011-10-03T19:22:00.421-07:00I am obliged to. Then again, I don't have a po...I am obliged to. Then again, I don't have a political axe to grind, and I'm not trying to engineer a society.<br /><br />"X is true."<br /><br />Hrm, all these data cast doubt on it.<br /><br />"heretic!"The Justicarhttp://integralmath.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-36968646504283731532011-10-03T19:18:41.121-07:002011-10-03T19:18:41.121-07:00(Repost: Delete if my original makes it through:)
...(Repost: Delete if my original makes it through:)<br /><br />You seem to be one of the very few who is actually applying <b>real</b> skeptical principles to this dubious event.To qualify as a Watson supporter, one is required to shun all skepticism, and accept her unsupported dogma on every point without question.One must also dismiss any and all extant contrary evidence against her constantly morphing anecdotes in order to be accepted as a member of this new little toxic cult. Apostates are hunted down with venom.One must dismiss the evidence which *should* exist, but does not.<br /><br />One thing that relates very closely to the alleged face-blindness, is her temporary accent deafness!<br />She is quite unable to say what accent EG had. A Boston native in Dublin must surely have been able to discern EG's accent? What was it? Watson makes much of mocking various accents on SGU, so we know that she can keenly discern them.<br />Her transient disabilities seem to come & go on a very very convenient schedule!<br /><br />Of course, like any irrational cult, acolytes MUST resort to logical fallacies, lies, ad hominem attacks, veiled threats (yes, you: PZ!), <i>actual threats</i> of anal rape combined with animal cruelty, and might devolve one day to actual violence against skeptics.<br />Watson's actual undisguised & public plans to detain Richard Dawkins against his will (criminal kidnap), and perform some sort of criminal outrage, (rape was hinted at as an option, if I remember correctly), against his person whilst being detained is but one example of where this has been publically mooted by Watson's devoted and insane disciples.<br /><br />Like any religion, it is these actions to which they must adhere, as they have zero facts with which to back-up their increasingly bizarre claims, and many facts that argue against them.<br />We are witnessing the birth of a very toxic, dangerous and anti-skeptical cult.<br /><br />I am increasingly arriving at the forensically supported conclusion that EG is a fabrication that seemed convenient at the time. A lie that got way out of hand, and is now returning to bight it's author hard.Michael Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-53034934984552087672011-10-03T19:16:27.472-07:002011-10-03T19:16:27.472-07:00You seem to be one of the very few who is actually...You seem to be one of the very few who is actually applying <b>real</b> skeptical principles to this dubious event.<br />To qualify as a Watson supporter, one is required to shun all skepticism, and accept her unsupported dogma on every point without question.One must also dismiss any and all extant contrary evidence against her constantly morphing anecdotes in order to be accepted as a member of this new little toxic cult. Apostates are hunted down with venom.One must dismiss the evidence which *should* exist, but does not.<br /><br />One thing that relates very closely to the alleged face-blindness, is her temporary accent deafness!<br />She is quite unable to say what accent EG had. A Boston native in Dublin must surely have been able to discern EG's accent? What was it? Watson makes much of mocking various accents on SGU, so we know that she can keenly discern them.<br />Her transient disabilities seem to come & go on a very very convenient schedule!<br /><br />Of course, like any irrational cult, acolytes MUST resort to logical fallacies, lies, ad hominem attacks, veiled threats (yes, you: PZ!), <i>actual threats</i> of anal rape combined with animal cruelty, and might devolve one day to actual violence against skeptics.<br />Watson's actual undisguised & public plans to detain Richard Dawkins against his will (criminal kidnap), and perform some sort of criminal outrage, (rape was hinted at as an option, if I remember correctly), against his person whilst being detained is but one example of where this has been publically mooted by Watson's devoted and insane disciples.<br /><br />Like any religion, it is these actions to which they must adhere, as they have zero facts with which to back-up their increasingly bizarre claims, and many facts that argue against them.<br />We are witnessing the birth of a very toxic, dangerous and anti-skeptical cult.<br /><br />I am increasingly arriving at the forensically supported conclusion that EG is a fabrication that seemed convenient at the time. A lie that got way out of hand, and is now returning to bight it's author hard.Michael Graynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-19920509605074074412011-10-03T18:43:44.521-07:002011-10-03T18:43:44.521-07:00" Like Watson on a history question about Gal..." Like Watson on a history question about Galileo's manner of death."<br /><br />To be fair, a lot of smart people mix up the Galileo death story :)AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-48484096117967068482011-10-03T18:40:54.679-07:002011-10-03T18:40:54.679-07:00" How is it she remembers that he was activel..." How is it she remembers that he was actively listening to her every word in the bar, what he said, what time he said it, his mannerisms, his general age"<br /><br />And mind you... This is before even knowing the guy :D <br /><br />- So not only did she manage to track exactly which of her words he was listening to (despite her disability)<br /><br />She did it before she even knew of him (remember, her official story says that he's a stranger who's never talked to her before the elevator, just a random face in the conference crowd).<br /><br />- Most of us people WITHOUT a disability can't track this much information about a random face in the crowd, a face we've never even met yet... Yet she can? Gawd... she keeps digging a deeper and deeper hole...<br /><br />Again:- The guy was supposedly in the conference room when she said the TWO sentences about not liking to be hit on<br /><br />- He was one of a CROWD of strange faces she doesn't know and hasn't spoken to or met yet (just a crowd of members)<br /><br />- This implies she manually tracked every face in the crowd when making a speech, making note who was listening to what part of the speech, and who took bathroom breaks when<br /><br />I CANT DO THAT AND I HAVE PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY<br /><br />So how did she (upon entering the elevator) go "oh, I know this guy, he's that one guy who was in the crowd when I talked about not wanting to be hit on, that one guy among the crowd".<br /><br />Maybe her disorder goes in cycles? At moments she has SUPER-recognition? And then it goes into zero-recognition?AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-65265658168807274282011-10-03T18:25:34.201-07:002011-10-03T18:25:34.201-07:00"It's not a blur, silly. It was sudden on..."It's not a blur, silly. It was sudden onset of a rare disease that seems not to persist in Watson."Haha, I spit out the drink I was reading. That was hella funny.AlekNovynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-57469486812167704512011-10-03T18:18:58.948-07:002011-10-03T18:18:58.948-07:00It's not a blur, silly. It was sudden onset of...It's not a blur, silly. It was sudden onset of a rare disease that seems not to persist in Watson. It only seems to recur when she's shown a picture with EG in it.<br /><br />Yeah, I'm sure Steph is going to answer you; make sure to hold your breath.The Justicarhttp://integralmath.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6182712709703423977.post-66404646250440783512011-10-03T18:06:39.932-07:002011-10-03T18:06:39.932-07:00Oh Steph, you're hilarious. So riddle me this:...Oh Steph, you're hilarious. So riddle me this: How is it she remembers that he was actively listening to her every word in the bar, what he said, what time he said it, his mannerisms, his general age, BUT SHE CANNOT REMEMBER HIS FACE???<br /><br /><br />Man, that is some awesome IRL facial blur tech they got in Ireland. With that level of personal obfuscation, no wonder she was creeped out. I'd have shat myself!John C. Welchhttp://www.bynkii.com/noreply@blogger.com